[glennneuber]

Structured output now bounds the whitespace between JSON tokens at llama.cpp's own limit, on both runners. That limit is nothing, one space, or one or two newlines and up to 20 spaces or tabs: a run of at most 22 characters. GGUF format: "json" now uses that rule itself. MLX bounds the run at the same length but not the same shape (any 22 whitespace characters).

Why

• MLX, max_whitespace_cnt 32 → 22. muse-glimmer on MLX in single pass (OLLAMA_FORMAT_TWO_PASS=0), answering after its message header (fix(glimmer): a format with thinking off waits for the message header, in single pass and two-pass alike #464), padded the first and last slot of every object to the bound. format_schema on 30b-nvfp4 returned { + 33 spaces, the value, about 23 spaces and }.
  • The bound itself held. Stock 0.40.2 has none, and filled all 16384 tokens with whitespace (FAIL).
  • Production's two-pass mode answers compact.
  • 22 still fits a newline and ten levels of two-space indent.
• GGUF, format: "json". A schema goes to llama-server's converter, which is bounded. format: "json", though, uses the fork's own grammarJSON, and its ws ::= ([ \t\n] ws)? was unbounded. A model that degenerates into whitespace ran to num_predict or to llama-server's 100-repeat abort, an HTTP 500 with no output.
  • It is now llama.cpp's rule, written as an optional group: ws ::= (" " | "\n"{1,2} [ \t]{0,20})?. The grammar also takes the shape of llama.cpp's grammars/json.gbnf, so no two ws rules sit side by side and no gap runs past 22. The first version allowed 44 in three places, and { } (147fd742d).
  • Whitespace follows {, [, :, , and every value, and never comes before } or ], as in json.gbnf. Two differences from json.gbnf are kept from the old grammar: no whitespace after the root's }, and none between a key and its :. One broadening: whitespace after a string, number, object or array value, before a ,, is newly accepted, as json.gbnf accepts it.

Not taken

Patching xgrammar to llama.cpp's exact rule. On MLX it would cut glimmer's padding to one space per slot. It costs a native patch on every xgrammar bump, and it moves every MLX format request's mask. xgrammar v0.2.7 hardcodes any_whitespace=true for structural-tag json_schema elements, so only the count can be set from the tag. ADR 0035 records this, and says to revisit it if xgrammar adds a whitespace-rule option.

Upstream

• ollama/ollama has no bound on MLX.
• MLX engine: structured output (format/JSON schema) never terminates — model emits whitespace until num_predict is reached ollama/ollama#18567, a whitespace runaway, was closed as standard behaviour.
• mlxrunner: cap grammar whitespace so structured output terminates ollama/ollama#18569, a cap of 32, was closed untested.

Tests

• TestRequestGrammarBoundsWhitespaceRunLength drives requestGrammar's tag through xgrammar one byte at a time. It proves the run's length, not llama.cpp's shape. It covers three request shapes: a plain format, a format after thinking, and "json" after a header.

  • 22 spaces are accepted and 23 refused.
  • Two newlines plus 20 spaces are accepted.
  • A newline plus ten indent levels is accepted.

• TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespace checks grammarJSON with a reference GBNF recognizer in plain Go, so it runs without the MLX payload. It covers two gaps at the bound side by side in an empty object, in an empty array and after a literal, and { }. TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespaceXGrammar drives the same cases through xgrammar, since llama.cpp's engine has no Go entry point.

• Both fail on the old grammars. The xgrammar tests skip where the MLX payload is not built. The wire-tag tests move to 22.

• go test ./mlxrunner/ ./mlxrunner/xgrammar/ ./llm/ ./server/ passes.

• Real-model check: queued behind the regression A/B on the Metal host. It covers:

  • format_schema in both flows on glimmer MLX and GGUF;
  • the think-off suite on gemma4:31b-nvfp4 and gemma4:31b-it-q4_K_M against the release build, on the same store.

  The results will be added here.

ADR 0035 is amended, and the README row is updated. #461 carries the same README row; whichever merges second updates it.

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[glennneuber]

CUDA host review, at 842b17f06.

Checked against llama.cpp b11351: SPACE_RULE (common/json-schema-to-grammar.cpp:229) matches the new rule.

Tests:

• Without the MLX payload: 2053 pass.
• With the MLX-CUDA payload (xgrammar 0.2.7, no GPU): the grammar tests pass 104 of 104.
• With the two source files reverted, the new tests fail.
• MLX's per-gap bound of 22 holds at every slot probed, and 23 is refused.

grammarJSON still allows a 44-character run in three places. Two ws rules sit side by side:

• "{" ws (...)? ws "}";
• the same shape for arrays;
• true/false/null ws, followed by ws "}".

Through xgrammar, { + 2×("\n\n" + 20 spaces) + }, true + 44 + }, and { } are all accepted. llama.cpp's grammars/json.gbnf avoids this by ending values in ws and putting no ws before } or ].

The two runners agree on length only: MLX accepts 22 spaces in one gap, llama.cpp at most one. The test name ...MatchesLlamaCpp overstates this.

Wrong upstream reference: mlc-ai/xgrammar#837 bounds empty XML tool-call whitespace. It does not add a whitespace-rule option.

Before a CUDA deploy: format:"json" is the suite's default, and indent beyond 20 is now refused. So this needs the think-off suite cells on GGUF (qwen2.5vl, gemma4 q4_K_M) and on MLX-CUDA. The CUDA host's v0.40.2 run (#477) is on the tag, without this PR. Say if you want a CUDA arm on this head.

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[glennneuber]

Thanks, all three points are fixed in 147fd742d. One ask back: could you run the xgrammar half?

1. No two ws rules side by side. grammarJSON now has json.gbnf's shape: value ::= (object | array | string | number | "true" | "false" | "null") ws, and no ws before } or ]. Each gap is one ws, so no run is longer than 22.
   • { } and [ ] are refused, as json.gbnf refuses them. { } and { + newline + } still pass.
   • Two differences from json.gbnf are kept from before: no whitespace after the root }, and none between a key and :.
   • One broadening: whitespace after a string, number, object or array value, before a ,, is now accepted, as json.gbnf accepts it. Before, only literals allowed it.
2. The test is renamed TestRequestGrammarBoundsWhitespaceRunLength. It now claims the run's length only, not llama.cpp's shape. The same "alike" wording is fixed in mlxrunner/client.go, ADR 0035 and the README row.
3. Ollama server stops responding. ollama/ollama#837 is gone from ADR 0035. It now says to revisit this if xgrammar adds a whitespace-rule option.

How it is tested here:

• llm/gbnf_reference_test.go is a plain-Go GBNF recognizer shaped like llama.cpp's parser, so TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespace runs without the MLX payload.
  • On 842b17f06's grammar it reproduces your xgrammar findings: 8 of the 25 cases fail, including both 44-character runs and { }.
  • All 25 pass now.
• go test ./llm/ ./server/ ./mlxrunner/ passes with the MLX library blocked. go vet is clean.

Not run here: the xgrammar tests, TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespaceXGrammar and TestRequestGrammarBoundsWhitespaceRunLength. Loading the MLX library on this host would touch Metal while the #477 benchmark holds the GPU.

• Could you run go test ./llm/ ./mlxrunner/ -run Whitespace -count=1 with the MLX-CUDA payload? You have it, with no GPU needed.
• Your "before a CUDA deploy" point stands, and matters more now: GGUF format:"json" acceptance moved, so the think-off suite cells on GGUF and MLX-CUDA are worth a run on this head. A CUDA arm here would be welcome.

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[glennneuber]

The xgrammar half, run at 147fd742d on the CUDA host: both pass.

Setup:

• golang:1.26 in a container, no GPU attached, with the host's libcuda.so.1 mounted.
• The mlx_cuda_v13 payload from maxusai/ollama:sync-0.35.0-main, which carries xgrammar 0.2.7.
• That payload has to be on LD_LIBRARY_PATH, because libopenblas has no RPATH to find libgfortran. Without it, every xgrammar test SKIPs, and a skipped Go test still prints ok.

go test -count=1 -v -run Whitespace ./llm/ ./mlxrunner/:

• TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespaceXGrammar: PASS, 25 of 25.
• TestRequestGrammarBoundsWhitespaceRunLength: PASS.
• TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespace, TestStructuralTagBoundsTheWhitespaceBetweenTokens and TestBoundedWhitespaceKeepsTheSchemaIntact: PASS.
• Both packages ok. None of these tests skipped.

Positive control: with llm/llama_server.go and mlxrunner/client.go put back to 842b17f06, TestGrammarJSONBoundsWhitespaceXGrammar fails 8 of its 25 cases. That matches your recognizer's count.

On a CUDA arm: yes. The #477 run is on the tag. Once it has finished, I can run the think-off GGUF and MLX-CUDA cells on this head as a separate arm, so the format-acceptance change shows up against the tag's cells on the same build.

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