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Propose PodSetSnapshot and PodSetRestore, which capture a set of Pods as one unit and restore it on the same or different nodes. Members keep stable IDs and ranks, an admission step comes before any irreversible step, and each attempt has one outcome.
Add a Snapshot coordinator. It holds one in-memory session per attempt, with write-once keys, blocking reads, atomics, and named barriers, and Pods reach it only through their node's agent. Its semantics match CUDA Checkpoint's restore-time rendezvous, and NCCL Checkpoint works today through a compatibility endpoint.
Commit an attempt when its admitted barrier completes. Each member then records its own point of no return (Started at capture, Restoring at restore), and that record decides what a failure does to the member.
Extend cuInterpose (SNEP-295) across Pods. A leader relay validates the global topology and drives each phase as a broadcast-and-gather round, and shared GPU memory is saved once, on its creator's node.
Preserve TCP connections between members across relocation, with a group IP remap and a narrow hold.
Define the workload contract (ready-for-snapshot, restore-complete), restart safety, restore binding, and the agent upgrade requirement.
Leave Pod creation, placement, and application health to the workload owner.
This is a design draft. Appendix A lists the open questions:
the CUDA Checkpoint integration asks
NCCL Checkpoint's endpoint
an enforced execution hold
source lifetime during staggered capture
naming
cross-namespace restore
coordinator availability
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Added a proposal describing coordinated snapshot and restore workflows for fixed-member Pod sets, including admission checks, restore placement, failure handling, and security considerations.
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The proposal outlines new API concepts, status conditions, and artifact metadata, while existing single-Pod resources remain unchanged. It also documents operational considerations such as deadlines, monitoring, and restart behavior.
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The proposal defines API contracts and coordination flows for capturing and restoring fixed-membership Pod sets. It also adds a Python script that generates SVG diagrams of the proposed architecture, lifecycle, phases, rendezvous, and failure paths.
The proposal defines snapshot and restore resources, member identity and status, artifact metadata, and Pod-contract constants. It retains existing single-Pod resources unchanged.
Coordination and lifecycle flows docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md
The proposal describes per-attempt coordinator sessions, admission and commit, member capture and restore, cross-Pod networking and library rendezvous, failure handling, security, and qualification criteria.
Diagram rendering and flows docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/diagrams/generate.py
The script adds SVG rendering helpers and data for architecture, lifecycle, phase, rendezvous, and failure diagrams. Running it generates the diagrams.
This is a design proposal with no runtime impact, but it has open protocol and security gaps. Close them in the design before the contract is accepted: session lifetime after release, retry safety, cache invalidation, agent authentication, cancellation outcome, and controller RBAC scope.
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In `@docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/diagrams/restore-state.mmd`:
- Line 6: Update the restore-state diagram transitions so TargetsAvailable
requires every mandatory target to be scheduled and placeholder-available, and
Restoring requires all target placeholders to remain available before leaf
activation. Update the restore-sequence diagram to show Grove waiting for that
placeholder-availability condition after validating targets and building the
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In `@docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md`:
- Around line 456-457: Update the snapshot/restore cancellation design around
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Define a durable cancellation outcome.
Use deletion as the cancellation request. Define a durable observable result that records stopped work and outstanding cleanup, and state how that result differs from Failed. This result can be a status or finalizer outcome, or an equivalent durable operation record; it does not require a specific Cancelled condition.
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In `@docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md` around lines 456 -
457, Update the snapshot/restore cancellation design around the existing per-Pod
destructive boundary to define a durable, observable cancellation outcome
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Valid. The revision now specifies deletion independently: it stops non-activated work, cannot undo work past a destructive boundary, sequences cleanup with controller-managed finalizers, and retains per-member outcomes long enough to explain partial progress.
It does not yet claim a durable Cancelled outcome. Status on an object being deleted is not itself a durable record, so deletion-as-cancellation would require retained evidence. The alternative is an explicit request on a surviving operation object. Terminal cancellation versus reversible suspension remains Open Design Decision 5, and this thread stays open until that choice is made.
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@julienmancuso, agreed. The revision clarifies what deletion stops and how finalizers sequence cleanup. It does not yet define a durable cancellation outcome distinct from Failed.
Status on a deleted object is not sufficient evidence. Open Design Decision 5 needs to choose retained evidence for deletion-as-cancellation or an explicit request on a surviving operation object. This thread should stay open until the proposal defines that choice and its observable result.
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Learning: In SNEP-324 (`docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md`), deletion stops non-activated snapshot or restore work but cannot undo work past the per-Pod destructive boundary. Controller-managed finalizers sequence cleanup and retain per-member outcomes long enough to explain partial progress. Status on a deleted operation object is not, by itself, a durable cancellation record; Open Design Decision 5 must choose retained evidence for deletion-as-cancellation or an explicit request on a surviving operation object, and distinguish terminal cancellation from reversible suspension.
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The revised draft chooses deletion as the V1 cancellation request. While the operation exists, each unreleased restore member reports Cancelled rather than Failed; released members retain Restored. A bounded finalizer tracks cleanup, and node-local journals retain the evidence needed to finish cleanup after deletion or an agent restart.
This does not provide durable public cancellation history after the operation is gone. The draft now says that explicitly instead of treating deleted-object status as retained evidence. That is a narrower contract than a permanent cancellation record, so I am leaving this thread open for agreement on the V1 scope.
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@julienmancuso, thanks for the clarification. I agree with this narrower V1 scope. Permanent public cancellation history does not need to be a V1 requirement.
The contract separates three concerns:
Cancelled distinguishes unreleased members from Failed while the operation exists.
Released members retain Restored; deletion does not undo completed restore work.
The bounded finalizer and node-local journals support cleanup after deletion or an agent restart.
The node-local journals are cleanup evidence, not public cancellation history. That distinction addresses the central ambiguity in the original finding.
The earlier learning treated the cancellation mechanism as undecided. Your clarification now chooses deletion. I will leave this thread open as requested.
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Learning: In SNEP-324 (`docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md`), V1 chooses deletion as the cancellation request. While the operation exists, unreleased restore members report Cancelled rather than Failed, and released members retain Restored. A bounded controller-managed finalizer tracks cleanup. Node-local journals retain evidence needed to finish cleanup after deletion or an agent restart. V1 explicitly does not provide durable public cancellation history after the operation is deleted.
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Learning: In SNEP-324 (`docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md`), deletion stops non-activated snapshot or restore work but cannot undo work past the per-Pod destructive boundary. Controller-managed finalizers sequence cleanup and retain per-member outcomes long enough to explain partial progress. Status on a deleted operation object is not, by itself, a durable cancellation record; Open Design Decision 5 must choose retained evidence for deletion-as-cancellation or an explicit request on a surviving operation object, and distinguish terminal cancellation from reversible suspension.
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No component coordinates resume across members
The Motivation and requirement 31 promise that established member-to-member TCP sessions survive restore. That only works if every member's sockets are rebuilt via TCP_REPAIR before any member resumes and sends a segment.
This paragraph and requirement 22 let each node agent resume its restored process and report nvidia.com/Restored=True as soon as its own CRIU restore succeeds. Nothing in the restore flow, the member phases, or the normative requirements names a component that waits for all members to be rebuilt and then releases them together. If rank 0 resumes while rank 1 is still restoring, rank 1's placeholder namespace answers with RST and the connection is lost on both sides.
Please name the component that owns the group-wide resume, and what the agent does while it waits, or drop the preserved-session claim.
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This was the central contradiction, and the revision no longer makes one unconditional preserved-session promise.
Each qualified backend profile must choose one of two policies:
CommunicatorReconstruction: the backend is proven to reconstruct its communicator safely, so a group release barrier is not required.
SessionPreservation: the PodSetRestore controller owns the group barrier; each node agent reconstructs locally, records its PodRestore as Prepared, and remains held until every member is Prepared and the controller authorizes release.
The second path now names both the owner and the waiting state. What remains open is the restart-safe leaf release input and which profile each initial backend can actually qualify. SNEP-295 defines local reconstruction but not yet that external release contract. I’m leaving this thread open until the backend experiment and leaf contract land.
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The revised draft names the owner of this barrier: the temporary runtime brain waits for every member to finish local process/socket restoration and required runtime reconstruction before authorizing release.
Agents hold peer application traffic before CRIU and keep it held through the session. After authorization and final local checks, each agent publishes its release marker and removes its own hold. Authorization and release are asynchronous, not atomic; partial release is reported truthfully. See Architecture, Restore Flow, and Network Identity and Release. These are proposed integration requirements, not a claim that this PR implements them.
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The document has the owner create every target Pod first and create PodGroupRestore afterwards. If those Pods carry the annotation, the single-Pod restore has already started before the group exists. If they do not, the Design does not say what the agent keys on instead. Step 5 says Snapshot "creates or activates durable per-member restore work", but there is no leaf restore object in the API, and nothing on a PodSnapshot marks it as group-owned, so "reject standalone restore" has nowhere to run. The document also does not say how the complete identity map reaches the agent.
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Valid. The revision implements the proposed direction with a namespaced, durable PodRestore leaf. It carries the exact owning set UID, pinned target name/UID, explicit container mapping, capability profile, profile-required identity data, and per-member phases/reasons. Leaves are created before placeholders are ready, so they can expose WaitingForPlaceholder.
Group restore does not use nvidia.com/restore-from as its source of truth. The standalone annotation continues to name a PodSnapshot; controller and admission checks reject using that path to activate resolved content owned by a set.
The exact release field and restart-safe local contract remain part of the SNEP-295 alignment, so I’m leaving this thread open for review of the direction.
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The revised design uses a dedicated nvidia.com/restore-set annotation and the PodSetRestore target list, not the standalone restore-from annotation. Pods and the attempt can be created in either order. Agents require published set context and Admitted before starting reconstruction; missing context waits rather than falling back to standalone restore.
The complete IP map is recorded in restore member status and read by every agent. Fixed bindings, per-member reports, and the node journal provide the operation/recovery record without a PodRestore leaf CRD. Set-owned capture children are identified through their owner and exact recorded child UID, and standalone restore from them is refused. See Examples, Per-Pod API Reuse, and Restore Flow.
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As written, one member can pass its local check and go ahead while a sibling fails its own. On restore that is one rank resumed and one refused as RestoreIncompatible, which the test plan lists as an expected outcome. On checkpoint it is worse: one source process has already been dumped and killed when the sibling refuses, and the document accepts this and hands recovery to the owner. In both cases a check that changes nothing could have stopped the group before anyone did anything irreversible.
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Valid. The revision adds a held admission phase: every leaf must finish its local admission checks before the set controller releases any leaf across its declared destructive boundary. If a member refuses before release, admitted siblings are abandoned without becoming unresumable. After release, failure remains explicitly non-atomic; the set is Failed and all member outcomes are retained, but rollback is not promised.
The leaf—not the group controller—must declare where its destructive boundary begins, since CUDA-interposition preparation may cross it earlier than CRIU dump-and-kill. The durable, restart-safe admission/abandon contract is still being aligned with SNEP-295, so this stays open.
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The revised draft keeps admission before destructive work, with different owners for the two operations. Capture agents finish local preflight, then the runtime session inspects every member before any destructive preparation. Each local runtime path rechecks source identity immediately before its destructive step.
For restore, every agent reports preflight for the current placeholder container, and the controller pins all accepted container IDs while setting Admitted. No member starts CRIU before that milestone. A preflight refusal leaves sources or placeholders untouched as applicable. Failures after destructive work starts remain non-atomic, with no rollback. See Coordination Rules and both operation flows.
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It does not say whether deleting PodGroupSnapshot deletes the cluster-scoped content and the leaf objects, whether a PodGroupRestore may reference a group snapshot whose namespaced object is gone, how finalizers are ordered, or what a caller sees after deleting an operation that is in flight. CodeRabbit's cancellation comment is one part of this.
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Failure, Cancellation, and Cleanup now defines deletion as cancellation, the two root finalizers, and bounded cleanup grace. Deleting a checkpoint prevents new restores, waits for non-terminal referencing attempts, stops capture work, then removes children through the existing content/artifact cleanup path. There is no Retain policy.
Deleting a restore stops unfinished work and cleans up only unreleased execution; it does not delete target Pods or kill already released members. The node journal supports cleanup after the API object is gone. Direct deletion of a required child/content invalidates checkpoint availability instead of being blocked by an additional protection finalizer.
| One target may restore while another fails. | Preserve each node agent's existing restore behavior, fail the aggregate group attempt, expose every member outcome, and let the workload owner recreate or repair the group. |
| A controller or node agent can restart during fan-out. | Persist operation identity, member identity, observed generation, leaf references, and per-member outcomes. Make reconciliation idempotent. |
| Grove `startsAfter` currently waits for Kubernetes Pod Ready and can prevent all restore placeholders from existing. | Omit or rewrite inter-member `startsAfter` dependencies for restore-shaped Pods, or add a Grove milestone that distinguishes placeholder availability from workload readiness. |
| Successful process restore does not imply serving readiness. | Complete `PodGroupRestore` from the existing `nvidia.com/Restored` conditions. The workload owner separately observes Pod readiness and controls serving registration. |
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The completion sentinel that drives the startup probe should be written only once the whole group is released, so all member Pods turn Ready together rather than one by one.
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Agreed for the session-preservation profile. The revision now requires that no agent write restore-complete or report nvidia.com/Restored=True until every member is Prepared and the set controller has authorized release. A communicator-reconstruction profile retains the existing local-completion semantics after its own reconstruction succeeds.
The enforceable invariant is coordinated authorization, not literally simultaneous Pod readiness—agents observe release and startup probes asynchronously. The concrete release-input mechanism is still open with the SNEP-295 contract, so this thread remains open.
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The revised draft requires the runtime brain to authorize release only after every member completes its required reconstruction and verification. An agent cannot publish restore-complete or report Restored before that authorization and its final local checks.
The enforceable guarantee is coordinated authorization, not simultaneous Pod readiness or atomic marker delivery. A partially released attempt can fail while already released members remain Restored. Application readiness remains the workload owner's responsibility. See Coordination Rules, Restore Flow, and Network Identity and Release.
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Checkpointing a Pod kills its process at the end. The two ranks are checkpointed around the same time, but one always finishes first. For a moment, rank A is dead while rank B is still being copied and still has an open connection to A.
That is survivable only because A's Pod is still there, silently swallowing B's packets. If the owner deletes A's Pod too early, its IP can go to some new Pod, which answers B with "go away", and B's connection is broken before it is saved. Also, Kubernetes will normally restart A's killed container, and the new A will start dialing B while B is still being copied.
State that source Pods must not be deleted and their containers must not restart until the group checkpoint is published or failed, and say how the owner learns that moment.
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Valid. The revision now makes the constraint normative: from admission until the set operation terminates, the workload owner must keep the exact source Pod UIDs from restarting, being replaced, or resuming normal execution. Set status is the durable signal for when that hold may end; set publication alone is not a source-process-lifetime signal.
The enforcement mechanism is intentionally still open. A finalizer preserves the API record but does not stop kubelet termination or restart, and scheduling cannot enforce it. The remaining candidates are a workload-owner/Grove hold contract or a snapshot-aware wrapper with a local terminal signal. Transport timers may also require coordinated repair or isolation rather than process hold alone. Leaving this open until that contract is selected.
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The revision separates the existing per-member owner obligation from the unresolved group-lifetime question. Owners must not deliberately disrupt a member during that member's own capture, but the draft does not claim Snapshot suppresses automatic restarts.
Whether a completed member must retain its original network identity until all peers finish is still open. The qualification plan explicitly tests container restart, Pod deletion, and sandbox replacement during capture skew. If those actions damage a peer's checkpoint, supported deployments will need source isolation or an owner-enforced lifecycle contract before normal restart behavior is claimed safe. This thread remains open; the narrower wording is not evidence that your failure scenario is solved.
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With Pods pinned by UID, a deleted or preempted target can never come back under the same identity, and an unschedulable one may sit in Pending indefinitely, for example when the cluster is short of GPUs. The document gives the group no way to notice either case and no deadline, so the group restore waits forever while every other placeholder holds its GPU. The same applies on the checkpoint side to a source Pod that vanishes between validation and dump. The single-Pod job API already has an active deadline; the group objects have nothing comparable.
Define a terminal failure for a member whose pinned Pod no longer exists or cannot be scheduled, and add an optional deadline to both group objects.
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Valid. Both set operation specs now include a single operation deadline. A pinned Pod UID that disappears is terminal immediately; an unscheduled or temporarily unschedulable target remains a visible waiting condition and becomes DeadlineExceeded only when the operation deadline expires. The same frozen-UID and deadline rules apply to capture members.
The PodRestore phases and group aggregation retain the per-member reason rather than collapsing it into an opaque group failure. Leaving this open for review of those semantics.
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Both operation specs now require one absolute deadline, covering target waiting, preflight, runtime joins, and execution. Unbound or unschedulable targets remain visibly waiting until the deadline, then fail with DeadlineExceeded; a missing bound source fails with SourceGone. A bound UID is never replaced by a same-named Pod.
Target disappearance before admission is Failed/TargetGone. After admission, if release cannot be established, it is Unknown/TargetGone and the attempt fails; later agent evidence can settle the member result without reopening the attempt. An already final outcome is retained. Cleanup can continue after the deadline, but execution and release cannot.
Thanks @oleg-kushniriov — I pushed revision 36d788e. The review exposed a real contradiction: the proposal promised preservation of established in-group sessions while allowing every member to resume independently.
The revision makes network and release semantics capability-profile-specific:
A communicator-reconstruction profile may complete members independently, but only after qualification proves that the backend safely reconstructs its communicator.
A session-preservation profile requires coordinated network/session handling, a durable per-member Prepared state, and authorization from the PodSetRestore controller before any member is released.
The revision also:
renames the APIs to PodSetSnapshot, PodSetSnapshotContent, and PodSetRestore;
introduces a durable PodRestore leaf for target identity, exact ownership, container mapping, profile inputs, and per-member status;
requires every member to complete admission before any member crosses its declared destructive boundary, while explicitly retaining non-atomic failure semantics after release;
specifies exact UID binding, the V1 one-container-per-member limit, and source-to-destination container mappings;
states the source-Pod hold obligation during capture;
corrects and relabels the checkpoint, restore, scheduling, and state diagrams.
Six decisions are intentionally still open: the initial qualified profile(s), the local leaf contract aligned with SNEP-295 (cc @galletas1712 ), prepared-sibling failure disposition, source-hold enforcement, cancellation semantics, and peer-mapping scope for communicator reconstruction.
I've replied on each thread with either the implemented correction or the remaining decision.
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The revised draft keeps PodSetSnapshot/PodSetRestore as working names, but this naming decision is not settled. V1 describes a flat, fixed set of Pods; a hierarchy of sets/groups remains outside its scope.
I am leaving this discussion open for agreement on PodGroup versus PodSet rather than silently treating the current names as approved. A naming change can be applied consistently without adding a hierarchy to this V1 design.
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The draft currently retains PodSetSnapshot as a working name, pending the PodGroup-versus-PodSet discussion above. I have not marked this suggestion resolved or assumed agreement on naming.
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Added complete Go definitions for both CRDs and every new public supporting type, including specs, statuses, references, member reports, outcomes, list types, and validation rules. PodSnapshotSource is explicitly reused from the existing per-Pod API. See API / Resource Definitions.
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The revised design builds on the existing per-Pod API: each capture member has a child PodSnapshot and one PodSnapshotContent. Creating the content triggers the existing agent path, with parent context and group admission required before destructive set capture.
Restore reuses the per-Pod executor directly after set admission. No additional PodRestore or set-content CRD is introduced; bindings and results live in the set resources, and the agent journal supports local recovery. Existing standalone APIs remain unchanged. See Per-Pod API Reuse.
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the question I am wonder about is podSnapshotContent should remain one pod artifact or could it be repenting group, I am not sure just yet, and I feel we should explore it
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The revised draft chooses to keep PodSnapshotContent as one member's artifact. PodSetSnapshot records the exact child/content references and becomes Ready only when every member artifact is available; PodSetRestore refers to that checkpoint.
This preserves the existing content's cardinality, storage, and cleanup contract instead of making one content sometimes mean a Pod and sometimes mean a group. A missing or replaced required artifact makes the set unavailable; it is not rebound or recaptured. This is the proposed choice for review, not assumed agreement.
| Capture is destructive and one member may fail after another was captured. | Admit every member before releasing any member across its declared destructive boundary, never publish a partial set checkpoint as Ready, expose every member outcome, and leave workload recovery to its owner. Atomicity and rollback are explicitly not guaranteed. |
| A complete IP map does not by itself preserve established cross-Pod sockets. | Each supported profile declares whether its backend reconstructs the communicator or Snapshot preserves sessions. Preservation additionally requires coordinated network/session handling and a restore release barrier. |
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The new API section includes complete types and examples for both operations. Restore targets explicitly map source to destination containers, and set-mode Pods use restore-set rather than standalone restore-from. Per-Pod API Reuse explains the capture trigger and why restore requires no additional leaf API. Status fields and their write ownership are defined explicitly.
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Qualification is an explicit goal: the Test Plan and Graduation Criteria require evidence before claiming support for a backend, transport, or GPU topology. The corresponding non-goal is only automatic support for an unqualified combination, not validation itself.
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Rewrote the User Stories as concrete scenarios. They now explain who requests restore, which replica is included, when the owner registers it for traffic, and how the owner handles a partially released attempt. Snapshot completion is explicitly separate from serving readiness.
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Proposal now describes the new behavior directly: two namespaced resources, a reusable checkpoint versus a single restore attempt, caller-created placeholders, controller admission/status, agent execution, runtime coordination, and non-atomic member outcomes. Architecture and the complete API definitions explain the proposed components and data model rather than recounting the existing implementation.
| Capture is destructive and one member may fail after another was captured. | Admit every member before releasing any member across its declared destructive boundary, never publish a partial set checkpoint as Ready, expose every member outcome, and leave workload recovery to its owner. Atomicity and rollback are explicitly not guaranteed. |
| A complete IP map does not by itself preserve established cross-Pod sockets. | Each supported profile declares whether its backend reconstructs the communicator or Snapshot preserves sessions. Preservation additionally requires coordinated network/session handling and a restore release barrier. |
| One target may restore while another fails. | Fail the aggregate set attempt, expose every member outcome, and apply the failure disposition declared by the selected profile. The disposition for an already-prepared sibling remains an open V1 decision. |
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Conditions and Outcomes defines the user-visible set conditions and member results. Capture progress comes from the child PodSnapshot conditions and recorded content references; restore progress uses agent-owned member reports and controller-owned outcomes in PodSetRestore.status.members. Monitoring lists waiting and terminal reasons, Events, logs, and metrics. Restored means Snapshot released the member, not application readiness.
This revision replaces the earlier draft while keeping SNEP-324 and this PR's review history.
The design now uses two set resources, reuses the existing per-Pod capture artifacts and restore executor, and separates Kubernetes admission/status from a temporary runtime session. Rank 0 hosts the brain; the other members have relays; node agents own local execution and recovery. The document includes complete API structs and five inline Mermaid diagrams.
The proposal explicitly defines peer-traffic holding, asynchronous release, durable release evidence, deadlines, cancellation, and partial outcomes. It does not promise atomic capture/release or rollback. Pod creation, placement, application readiness, and workload recovery remain with a generic workload owner.
The runtime contracts are requirements for implementation and qualification, not capabilities implemented by this documentation PR. Naming and source lifetime during staggered capture remain open. Deletion is the proposed V1 cancellation request; durable public cancellation history after deletion is not promised.
Please review the revised design rather than the superseded leaf/profile mechanisms. I am replying to the existing threads individually and leaving them open for agreement.
Workload contract. A new section states what ready-for-snapshot and restore-complete promise for a set, splits restore into two windows (CRIU restore to CUDA unlock, CUDA unlock to release), and requires every thread that could touch shared memory, communicators, or preserved connections to wait, not only the main loop. Figures 4 to 6 show the quiesce, wait, and resume steps.
Coordinator restarts. Alpha still fails attempts with CoordinatorLost when the coordinator restarts, but the protocol is now resumable: idempotent request IDs, barriers that record which members posted, and the Welcome epoch. A broken agent stream that reconnects within a short grace period no longer fails the attempt. Writing sessions through to Secrets or replicating them to the standby stays open, with its costs, in Alternatives and Appendix A.
Capture freeze limits.net-freeze covers only TCP between members; other cross-Pod channels must be quiet by ready-for-snapshot. The CRIU project's criu-coordinator is listed as an alternative.
Restore windows. A new risk row, test plan, monitoring, and alpha criteria measure both windows with a background CUDA thread and check that fail-stop terminates threads blocked in either.
Payload sizing. The session carries only metadata; cuInterpose records are mostly 64-byte fabric handles and stay well under a MiB per member.
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The checkpoint flow puts the commit inside the second cuInterpose round, so the leader relay in rank 0's Pod is the component that calls Commit. A set with no cuInterpose member, such as the CPU-only two-Pod set in the integration tests, has no leader and therefore no commit. Separately, the operator is the only writer of committedAt, but no path from the session to the operator is described, and the capture agents write nothing durable at commit time. Please name the component that commits a capture in both cases and say what durable signal the operator turns into committedAt.
Consiedr following example: A two-Pod CPU set fails during its first dump. The operator has no committedAt and no agent-reported commit, so it cannot tell Refused from MemberFailed, and the owner reads "sources still running" for two sources that CRIU already killed.
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Agreed on both points. Fixing them showed that the commit didn't need to be a separate step. The attempt now commits when the admitted barrier completes. Every agent posts to it once its own checks pass, and the agent of the leader's Pod posts only after the leader accepts the topology. A set without cuInterpose therefore commits the same way.
The durable signal is per member. Before its member's first irreversible step, each agent writes a Started condition on the member's PodSnapshotContent (or the Restoring reason at restore). The operator copies it into a write-once member startedAt. In your example, both agents write Started before their first dump, so the set reports MemberFailed with both members started. Refused is reported only when no member has startedAt. I removed committedAt and the Committed condition, since they duplicated those records.
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Nothing irreversible is supposed to happen before the commit, so a refusal leaves every workload running. Two steps break that. CUDA Checkpoint's prepare runs before the commit and tears down library connections, which cannot be rebuilt without a restore. With NCCL Checkpoint it is earlier still: the application tears its communicators down before it even reports ready, so a refusal at admission already leaves it unable to communicate. In both cases the owner sees no committedAt and believes the workload is intact. Please move the commit to just before the first prepare step, or record the prepare time as the point of no return, until a resume without restore exists.
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Agreed. The commit now happens at the end of admission, before CUDA's prepare phase, so every step Snapshot takes before it can be undone. The "abort after prepare is a failure" special case is gone. If CUDA Checkpoint later allows a resume without a restore, the commit can move after prepare without an API change.
NCCL Checkpoint today is the one case Snapshot can't fix: the application tears its communicators down before ready-for-snapshot. The goal now says a refusal "leaves every workload as Snapshot found it", and the Refused message says that a quiesced source may be unable to communicate.
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Drop sourcePodIP from PodSetRestore member status. Nothing reads it: agents build the IP map from the artifact, and the owner has no decision that depends on the old IP. Getting it there would mean the operator reading artifacts, agents writing set status, or an IP in a condition message, each against a rule the design sets for itself. If it is ever wanted for debugging, add it to PodSnapshotContent.status.source.pod, where the agent already writes capture facts, and copy it from there. For the container ID, let the operator pin the destination container's ID from the Pod's own status when it records Admitted, and have the agent fail the member if the container it validated is not the one pinned.
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Agreed, sourcePodIP is dropped. When the operator records a member Admitted, it now pins the target's Pod UID, container ID, and Pod IP from the Pod's own status. The agent fails the member with PodIPChanged if the Pod or the container it validated no longer matches what was pinned.
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Design allows members without cuInterpose and says admission tells the leader which ranks run a relay. It does not say who leads when member 0 is one of those. Please define the leader as the lowest rank that runs a relay, or require the owner to list a cuInterpose member first.
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The leader is now the lowest rank that runs a relay. The admission exchange already tells every agent which ranks run one, so each agent passes the leader's rank to its own relay. Rank 0 is still the leader whenever it uses cuInterpose.
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The annotation on the Pod names one PodSetRestore, and the target list of a PodSetRestore names Pods. When a second attempt lists a Pod whose annotation still names the first one, or when the owner wants to reuse the Pods of a refused attempt under a new name, the document gives no rule. TargetInUse exists in the constants but no section says when it is set. Please define which binding wins and what the owner does to reuse a Pod after a refusal.
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The annotation now wins. A target is admitted only if its restore-set annotation names this PodSetRestore. It fails with TargetInUse if the annotation names another unfinished attempt, or if another unfinished attempt has already pinned the Pod's UID. If the annotation names an attempt that has finished or no longer exists, the target is refused with a plain Refused. A refusal leaves the Pods as Snapshot found them, so to reuse them the owner points their annotations at the new PodSetRestore.
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An older node agent will consume these ordinary member PodSnapshotContent objects and run standalone capture without inspecting the set owner or joining version admission. During a mixed-version rollout it can therefore kill a source before group admission completes. Please gate member-work publication on set-capable agents, or explicitly require and enforce a completed agent upgrade before set controllers can create work.
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I went with your second option: alpha requires and enforces a completed agent upgrade. The chart annotates the agent DaemonSet's Pod template with the set protocol versions it supports. The set controllers create member work, or admit a restore target, only once that template is fully rolled out: the DaemonSet has observed its latest generation, and every scheduled agent Pod is updated and available. Until then the attempt stays pending, with a condition that names the incomplete rollout. Downgrading the agents requires turning sets off first.
I'm also considering a finer-grained mechanism for later: each set-capable agent would renew a per-node Lease listing the set protocols it supports, and the set controllers would hand member work only to nodes with a fresh, compatible Lease. That would let sets run during a partial rollout instead of waiting for all of it. The cost is a window after a downgrade, until the Lease expires, so it would probably need to be paired with hiding set-member work from older agents. I kept the simpler rule for alpha.
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Done. The text now refers to the workload's own operator, a gang scheduler, and a generic inference engine. TensorRT-LLM remains only in the test plan, as the concrete workload I'd qualify on. I can make that generic too if you prefer.
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The operator and agent have no feature-gate mechanism; features are enabled by installing CRDs and setting chart values. A resolved thread already agreed on that wording. Please describe enablement as installing the two CRDs and a chart value that turns on the coordinator and the set controllers.
Suggestion. Replace the sentence with the chart-value description.
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Fixed, sorry for the regression. You enable sets by installing the two CRDs and setting one chart value, off by default in alpha, that deploys the coordinator and turns on the set controllers.
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Done. Members is now listType=map keyed by id, and the comment says list order is the rank. The map key enforces unique IDs, so I removed the separate CEL rule.
Commit model. The attempt commits when the admitted barrier completes, before CUDA prepare, for capture and restore alike. There is no Commit operation and no committed or released session state. Before its member's first irreversible step, each agent records a Started condition (or the Restoring reason at restore), and that record decides what a failure does to the member. The API drops committedAt and the Committed condition, and adds a write-once member startedAt and a Capturing phase. The record only moves forward, so Reconstructed never allows a CRIU replay.
Leader. The leader is the lowest rank that runs a relay.
Restore binding. The restore-set annotation wins, TargetInUse is defined, and a refused Pod is reused by re-pointing its annotation. A finalizer keeps a PodSetSnapshot while a restore reads it. sourcePodIP is dropped, and the operator pins the target's container ID from the Pod's status.
Upgrade safety. Alpha requires and enforces a completed agent upgrade. Set controllers create member work only once the agent DaemonSet has fully rolled out a template annotated with a compatible set protocol. Downgrading the agents requires turning sets off first.
Wording and API. No product names. Enablement is by CRDs and a chart value, with no feature gate. Members uses listType=map keyed by id.
Figures 2, 4, 5, 6, and 8 are updated, and Figure 2 now shows the session's two outcomes alongside the member records.
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At capture, the record is its own Started condition. At restore, it is a reason on nvidia.com/Restored, and later reasons overwrite it. If CRIU fails fast, the reason can go Admitted → Restoring → RestoreFailed between two reconciles. The operator then never sees Restoring, leaves startedAt empty, and reports Refused for a Pod whose one restore is already spent. The owner reuses that Pod as the SNEP suggests, and the next attempt fails after its commit.
Could restore use a separate condition that is never removed, as capture does? For example nvidia.com/RestoreStarted=True, set before CRIU. The record could not be missed, and startedAt would get an exact time. Today the agent keeps lastTransitionTime while the status stays False, so the copied time is when SetPending was set. It would also keep the new reasons out of ClassifyRestoreOutcome, which returns Unknown for them.
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Agreed on all three points. A reason on nvidia.com/Restored was the wrong place for the record, and you're right about lastTransitionTime: the agent keeps it while the status stays False, so the copied time was the SetPending time.
Restore now uses a separate condition, nvidia.com/RestoreStarted=True, as you suggested. The agent sets it before CRIU and never removes it. It's applied once under a field manager of its own, so later applies of nvidia.com/Restored can't drop it. The operator can't miss it however fast CRIU fails, startedAt is its lastTransitionTime, and a restarted agent that finds it without restore-complete never runs CRIU again.
nvidia.com/Restored now keeps its public reasons: a set restore shows RestoreInProgress while it runs, so ClassifyRestoreOutcome reads it like a single restore. Its only addition is SetPending, an agent-internal wait reason like today's SnapshotPending. I dropped the Admitted, Restoring, and Reconstructed reasons, along with the Reconstructed member phase. I also added tests for a restore that fails before the operator ever sees it in progress.
At restore, the agent's record is now a separate condition, nvidia.com/RestoreStarted=True. The agent sets it before CRIU under a field manager of its own and never removes it. It gives the exact startedAt and forbids a CRIU replay.
nvidia.com/Restored keeps its public reasons, with RestoreInProgress during a set restore, so ClassifyRestoreOutcome is unchanged. Its only addition is the agent-internal wait reason SetPending. The Admitted, Restoring, and Reconstructed reasons and the Reconstructed member phase are gone.
Figures 2, 4, 6, and 8 are updated.
Each agent's admission payload now says whether its member runs cuInterpose. Every agent therefore derives the same leader, the lowest rank with a relay, without an election. The same member leads at capture and at restore, and a set with no cuInterpose member runs no rounds. Figures 5 and 6 list the flag.
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CRIU already does most of what the capture-side hold does. The agent dumps from the host network with the Pod's netns marked external (dump.go), so CRIU still counts that netns as the dumpee's root netns (namespaces.c). It skips the per-connection lock (sk-tcp.c) and instead adds a CRIU chain that drops all INPUT and OUTPUT traffic in the Pod's netns (net.c), right after it freezes the tasks (cr-dump.c). After a successful dump that kills the tasks, it never unlocks (cr-dump.c). So a dumped member cannot reset its peers while its netns exists, with or without the agent's hold.
Two suggestions:
Run net-freeze and then CRIU, with no agent hold at capture. With the hold taken before the barrier, every member's preserved connections go quiet as soon as the first member arrives and stay quiet while the slowest member checkpoints CUDA. Without it, members stay live until all are ready, and CRIU's lock takes over at each member's freeze.
Restate why net-freeze is needed. The case CRIU does not cover is a source deleted after its own capture while a peer has not dumped yet: the source's IP can be reused, and the new Pod answers the peer with a reset. Since the SNEP allows deleting a source once its member is captured, this is the case to name. With the barrier right before CRIU, every member is locked before any member can finish its dump, so it is covered in practice.
The matching sentence in Cross-Pod TCP connections ("At capture, the net-freeze barrier applies the same narrow hold") would change the same way.
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Agreed, thanks for tracing it through CRIU. The capture-side hold is gone: agents pass net-freeze right before CRIU and rely on CRIU's lock, which drops all traffic in the Pod's network namespace once it freezes the processes and is never lifted after a dump that ends them. Preserved connections now stay live until every member is ready, instead of going quiet as soon as the first member arrives.
The SNEP now names the case the lock cannot cover: a source Pod deleted after its own dump, whose IP is reused while a peer has not dumped yet. The barrier covers it in practice, as you say. I also closed it outright: owners must keep every source until the set's capture has ended (Ready or Failed), rather than until its own member is captured. The Cross-Pod TCP section, the risk table, and Figures 4 and 5 are updated to match, and the TCP issue (#693) now says to verify that the pinned CRIU build keeps this behavior.
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Could the rollout check be per member node instead of DaemonSet-wide? The hazard is specific to the nodes a set uses: an old agent on a member's node would dump that member's source without joining admission. Requiring every scheduled agent Pod to be updated and available means one unavailable agent anywhere, or any routine agent rollout, holds every set until its deadline. Before creating a member's PodSnapshot, or admitting a restore target, the operator could check that the agent Pod on that member's node is Ready and that its podset-protocols annotation lists the set protocol, and otherwise keep the attempt pending with a condition that names the node.
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Agreed. The set controllers now check, before creating a member's work or admitting a restore target, that the agent Pod on that member's node is Ready and that its podset-protocols annotation, inherited from the DaemonSet template, lists a compatible version. Otherwise the attempt stays pending with a condition naming the node. An unavailable agent elsewhere, or a routine rollout, no longer holds every set. Downgrading the agents still requires turning sets off first. #613 is updated to match.
Capture: the agent takes no hold of its own. The net-freeze barrier stays right before CRIU, and CRIU's own network lock, which it takes when it freezes the processes and never lifts after a dump that ends them, keeps a dumped member from resetting its peers.
Source lifetime: owners keep every source until the set's capture has ended (Ready or Failed). This closes the remaining case, where a source is deleted and its IP reused while a peer has not dumped yet.
Upgrade check: the set controllers check the agent Pod on each member's node (Ready, with a compatible podset-protocols) instead of requiring the whole DaemonSet to be rolled out.
Figures: generated as UTF-8, and the Figure 5 and 6 captions state the agent hop.
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Replace unrestricted controller access with a least-privilege RBAC contract.
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Reviewing SNEP-324 at 428db60, focusing on API extensibility and the coordination contract. The points below include correctness concerns, protocol clarifications, and API/architecture design questions.
1. Protect member ranks from reordering
Members derive their rank from list position, but members is a Kubernetes map-list whose equality ignores order. Consequently, self == oldSelf does not reject a reorder that changes ranks, potentially changing leader selection and process identities during an attempt. Please use explicit immutable ranks, or an ordered atomic list with explicit unique-member-ID validation.
The existing source API models containers as a list with a current limit of one, explicitly anticipating future runtime support. The new restore mapping and member artifact metadata instead model a single container. Please evaluate collection-shaped mappings/metadata now, or document the compatibility strategy for extending these fields to multiple containers while retaining the current one-container validation limit. This is an API evolution question, not a request to implement multi-container capture in this SNEP.
Since PodSetSnapshot creates and owns child PodSnapshots, should each member embed a PodSnapshotTemplateSpec? The current source covers the existing child spec, but future sibling spec fields and optional child metadata would need a defined extension path. Please compare these shapes and identify which fields the group controller owns or constrains.
Please evaluate the public API's evolution path separately from its current fixed-group semantics. The design already distinguishes set members from cuInterpose participants; how would additional preservation providers, protocol-specific participant subsets, and multi-container members fit the resource and artifact models?
Compare a dedicated coordinated-capture abstraction with a broader set abstraction, explain the chosen boundary, and identify which anticipated extensions are additive versus requiring an API/artifact version change. This does not require adding independently recoverable subgroups now; it asks that the selected public abstraction and its extension boundaries be justified.
5. Ground the distributed coordination protocol in established semantics
Please distinguish compatibility with CUDA Checkpoint's rendezvous/store interface from the complete cross-node coordination protocol. The SNEP already describes fixed membership, epochs, retries, and failure propagation; please identify the established rendezvous protocol semantics these rules follow, or justify the Snapshot-specific protocol after comparing established designs.
Document the scope and assumptions of the CUDA interface being reused, its mapping to the distributed protocol, and the additional safety and progress guarantees required across node failures and network interruptions. The comparison should explain deliberate differences—such as fixed membership and fail-stop capture—and how protocol versions and new participants can extend the contract reliably. This concerns protocol semantics, independent of implementation or backend choice.
6. Define library-barrier participant and retry identities
Does the per-member arrival deduplication described in the recovery section apply only to Snapshot's phase barriers? Please define participant identity for library barriers, which may involve multiple processes within one Pod, separately from request IDs used to deduplicate retries. Also specify repeated BarrierCreate calls with the same expected count and conflicting counts.
cuInterpose's relay aggregation already accounts for local processes; this question concerns the generic library-barrier contract.
7. Clarify post-release NCCL completion and session retention
The compatibility endpoint remains available until members report resumed or NCCL's timeout expires, but the resumed-report mechanism is not specified. How does an agent determine that post-release NCCL restore has completed before issuing Leave and allowing the session to drop its keys?
Please show that completion/detection step in Figure 6 and clarify how the retention window interacts with the overall attempt deadline.
A barrier before invoking CRIU establishes that every member reached the pre-CRIU point. It does not establish that every member installed CRIU's network lock before another member completed its dump.
Please correct the guarantee or specify the additional synchronization that establishes it, while retaining the documented source-lifetime requirement. This ordering observation alone does not establish that TCP preservation fails under the stated workload and source-lifetime contracts.
@Ronkahn21 thanks for Part 1, this is very useful. Replies below, point by point. This push updates the SNEP for points 1, 2, 5, 6 and 8. Points 3 and 7 are proposals I'd like your view on before I change the SNEP. Point 4 I'd like to discuss with you first.
1. Member ranks and reordering. Agreed. Equality on a map-list ignores order, and position isn't meaningful in a keyed list anyway.
spec.members is now an atomic list, so its order stays the rank and self == oldSelf refuses a reorder.
A CEL rule keeps member IDs unique.
Status lists stay keyed by id, so status updates stay mergeable.
Restore targets stay keyed too: a target takes the rank of the snapshot member with the same ID, so their order carries no meaning.
2. Multi-container extension path. Agreed. Every field that names containers now follows PodReference.Containers: a list capped at one entry.
The restore target's containerMappings, keyed by source.
The restore member status's containers (name and container ID).
The artifact member table's containers.
Raising the caps later only relaxes validation, so multi-container support is additive; multi-container capture itself remains out of scope. containerMappings is also optional now: omitted, each captured container restores into the container of the same name, as with the standalone restore-container-map annotation.
3. Per-member PodSnapshotTemplateSpec. Here's an alternative I'd like your view on before I settle it:
Members stay {id, source}.
The spec gains an optional, set-level podSnapshotTemplate. Its metadata reuses SnapshotJob's PodSnapshotTemplateMetadata and is copied to every child PodSnapshot.
My concern with a per-member template is twofold: every future PodSnapshot field would join the set API before its set semantics are defined, and most child fields have to be constrained for sets anyway. Under this proposal, child settings that apply to every member would extend the set-level template, and a per-member override could be added later without breaking anything.
I'd also add a table of which child fields the controller owns:
the name, the owner reference, and the set's labels, which the template would refuse;
spec.source, which comes from the member;
checkpointRetryLimit, which would always be 0, since capture is fail-stop and a retry is a new PodSetSnapshot.
Does that cover what you had in mind, or do you see a case that needs per-member templates?
4. Extensibility of the coordinated API. I want to make sure I answer the comparison you have in mind, so let's sync on this one first. I'll follow up here afterwards.
5. Grounding the protocol in established semantics. Agreed, this was worth making explicit. A new "Protocol semantics" subsection:
The two layers. It separates what comes from CUDA's rendezvous interface (per-library namespaces, write-once keys, waiting reads, atomics, creator-counted barriers) from what Snapshot adds: member identities and roles, participant scoping, request IDs, Attach/Leave/Fail, epochs, the grace period, the deadline, and ABORTED.
Precedents. It compares each Snapshot rule with a related precedent and states where we differ: c10d and PMIx stores, store-based and ZooKeeper barriers, the PMIx/MPI fixed-membership and abort model, ZooKeeper sessions, incarnation identifiers, and Raft-style client request IDs. For example, our Insert is write-once where c10d's set overwrites. These are related designs, not identical semantics or inherited guarantees.
Deliberate differences. Fixed membership, fail-stop, and no persistence in alpha.
Guarantees. It states the safety and progress guarantees and the assumptions they rest on.
For example, say A's post reaches the coordinator but the reply is lost. A can't tell whether the post was applied, so it reconnects within the grace period and re-sends it with the same request ID. The barrier still counts A once, because it counts participants, and the request ID returns the recorded result. If the coordinator restarted in the meantime, A's stale epoch reports CoordinatorLost instead of A joining a fresh session.
Your question also showed that "one active replica" was assumed but never specified. The SNEP now states plainly that alpha assumes one serving coordinator per attempt. Lease election provides best-effort ownership, and a coordinator that loses leadership must stop admission and close its streams. Epoch checks detect changed coordination state on reconnect, but they don't fence an earlier instance, so stronger guarantees during overlapping ownership remain an availability requirement.
The CUDA interface isn't published yet. The SNEP describes our layer, lists the CUDA assumptions in Appendix A, and will cite the published interface once it's available.
6. Library-barrier participants and retry identities. Good catch; the session section now spells this out.
Participants. A barrier counts distinct participants, so repeated arrivals count once.
An agent or a relay always posts as its own member, and the coordinator refuses anything else. That's the per-member deduplication the recovery section refers to, which now says "participants".
A library chooses its own participant name, so several processes of one Pod can post. The coordinator scopes that name by member, so names local to a process never collide across Pods.
Request IDs are separate. They decide whether a retried write applies again or returns its recorded outcome, and they're scoped to the caller.
BarrierCreate with the same count succeeds, so retries are safe. A different count, or one below one, is refused. Posting or waiting before the creation is valid, and a barrier releases once and stays released.
7. Post-release NCCL completion and session retention. You're right, "reports that it has resumed" was undefined. NCCL's KVS traffic gives no completion signal, so here's what I'd propose; I'd like your view.
A fixed window instead of detecting completion. After release, the session stays open for a post-release window: a chart setting, default 300 s, which is NCCL Checkpoint's default timeout, so keys are kept exactly as long as NCCL would wait for them.
When agents leave. Agents whose member uses the compatibility endpoint Leave when the window ends; others leave at release.
The deadline hands off at release. The attempt deadline would bound the attempt only up to release. After that the window takes over, and when it runs out the session closes rather than fails, so released members are unaffected.
Figure 6 would show that step.
It's temporary. The window goes away once NCCL restores through CUDA Checkpoint's resume phase, before release.
Does that match how you'd expect it to work, or do you see a reliable completion signal I'm missing?
8. The net-freeze ordering guarantee. You're right: the barrier only guarantees that every member reached the step before CRIU, not that every lock is in place before any dump finishes. I've corrected both passages.
The barrier now promises what it actually ensures: no member's network is frozen while a peer still needs it, for CUDA's prepare phase and the cuInterpose rounds.
The text explains why the stronger ordering isn't needed. A dumped member's lock persists while its Pod exists, so finishing first drops its peers' packets rather than resetting them. The source-lifetime requirement covers the one remaining case, IP reuse after a source is deleted.
If a case ever needs the stronger ordering, CRIU's network-lock action-script stage would let agents hold a barrier there, at the cost of a longer freeze. Do you see a scenario that needs it?
Update: the coordinator embeds NATS, and the session reduces to six patterns
This push reworks the coordination session after discussion with @galletas1712. The API, the workload contract, the phases, and the flows are unchanged.
Coordinator on embedded NATS. The coordinator now embeds a NATS server with JetStream, and keeps each session as two in-memory key-value buckets: one for Snapshot's agents and relays, one for library keys.
There's no Snapshot-specific wire protocol or store any more. The coordinator adds only what a store lacks: authentication, membership, the deadline, and failure.
Nothing extra to deploy: the server runs inside the coordinator, and its limits (total memory, message size, per-session byte limits) are chart settings.
Six session patterns, all safe to repeat: Insert, Get (optionally waiting), Delete, Barrier, Leave, and Fail.
Because every pattern can be repeated, a client that reconnects simply sends again what it hadn't seen answered. There are no request identifiers and nothing recorded on the server.
Barrier needs no count and no creation: it waits for every member listed in the session's meta key.
Counters, compare-and-swap, and caller-created barriers are gone.
"Session semantics" replaces "Protocol semantics". It states each pattern's behavior, the session's lifetime, reconnection, and the guarantees.
@Ronkahn21, this changes my reply on Part 1, point 5. The precedent table (c10d, PMIx, ZooKeeper, Raft) grounded a protocol Snapshot defined itself. With NATS, the protocol and the store are off the shelf, so the section now states our semantics directly.
Security. The coordinator authenticates each connection in-process, through the embedded server's client-authentication hook:
a TokenReview, plus a check that the member's Pod runs on the agent's node;
permissions limited to that attempt's buckets, and to the member's own barrier and leave keys;
no signing keys are issued or stored.
The agent confines its relay and its libraries to their namespaces.
Restarts.
A coordinator restart is detected through an epoch in meta, and reported as CoordinatorLost.
The coordinator accepts clients only after it has recreated the session of every unfinished attempt.
A restarted agent never rejoins an attempt in flight; its member's grace period fails the attempt.
Libraries. The SNEP no longer assumes a rendezvous store in CUDA Checkpoint. Libraries rendezvous through the agent's per-Pod library endpoint, which speaks the subset of the Redis protocol NCCL Checkpoint uses (SET, GET, DEL), and that endpoint is now the long-term interface. CUDA Checkpoint's prepare and resume phases stay as before.
Figures 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 8 are updated: NATS connections, the meta key, failures through the session's end, and NCCL through the library endpoint.
Still open: the post-release window for NCCL (Part 1, point 7) is unchanged here.
The implementation in #700 and #702 will be replaced by one on embedded NATS, with a small session client that keeps NATS out of the agent's code.
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Authenticate the agent Pod, not just a Pod-bound token.
985-988: Major · Security & Privacy · Quick win
Authenticate the agent Pod, not just a Pod-bound token.
A workload Pod can request a projected token for the coordinator audience. TokenReview and a same-node check alone do not establish that the token belongs to the Snapshot agent. The workload could connect directly and access its attempt’s coordination buckets, bypassing the agent’s namespace restrictions. (kubernetes.io)
Require the expected agent ServiceAccount and verify that the bound Pod UID is the authorized agent Pod on the member’s node.
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Review comment at @docs/proposals/324-multi-pod-snapshot-restore/README.md
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Update the coordinator’s client-authentication flow to verify the token belongs
to the expected agent ServiceAccount and that its bound Pod UID identifies the
authorized agent Pod running on the member’s node. Do not admit a connection
based only on TokenReview and a same-node check; retain the existing
attempt-bucket permission limits.
Keep the session alive for post-release rendezvous.
272-273: Major · Stability & Availability · Heavy lift
Keep the session alive for post-release rendezvous.
The coordinator removes the session when the restore resource becomes final. The deadline also ends the session. Both can occur before NCCL starts its post-release restore, even though Lines 641–645 require the session to remain available for it. NCCL rendezvous can then fail after the set reports Ready.
Define session retention and a deadline that cover the post-release rendezvous window.
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Update the coordinator session-retention description so a final or deleted
restore resource does not immediately remove the session needed for NCCL’s
post-release rendezvous. Define a retention period and deadline that keep the
session and its keys available throughout that rendezvous window.
Make retries safe across key reuse.
830-831: Major · Data Integrity & Integration · Heavy lift
Make retries safe across key reuse.
A lost Delete response can be followed by another client inserting a new value under the same key. Retrying the original Delete then removes that new value. Similarly, a delayed Insert retry can restore an old value after deletion.
Use operation identities or revision-conditional mutations, or prohibit key reuse for the session. Add both interleavings to the session tests.
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Update the session retry design to prevent stale retries from affecting values
written under a reused key, using operation identities, revision-conditional
mutations, or a session key-reuse restriction. Add session tests for both
interleavings: a retried Delete after a new Insert, and a delayed Insert retry
after deletion.
Define cache invalidation for deleted library keys.
641-643: Major · Data Integrity & Integration · Heavy lift
Define cache invalidation for deleted library keys.
The endpoint caches GET results after one upstream read. The session semantics allow a key to be deleted and inserted again. If another node deletes and reinserts a cached key, a later GET can return the old identifier and break rendezvous.
Specify how node caches invalidate or version values after Delete. Preserve the stated Delete and Get semantics across nodes.
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Update the endpoint’s per-node cache description to specify how a `Delete`
invalidates or versions cached values across nodes, so a later `Get` after
deletion and reinsertion returns the current identifier. Preserve the existing
`Delete` and `Get` semantics across nodes.
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No bucket has a byte limit any more. JetStream reserves a bucket's byte limit when it creates the bucket, which would have capped the coordinator at a few concurrent sessions. Instead, each bucket limits its value size, and the library bucket also limits its number of keys.
Sessions therefore share the coordinator's memory. The Security section and a new row under Limitations, Risks, and Mitigations state the consequence: a compromised workload can make concurrent attempts fail until its own attempt ends. Beta decides how to isolate the memory of sessions, once cuInterpose's largest records are measured.
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PodSetSnapshotandPodSetRestore, which capture a set of Pods as one unit and restore it on the same or different nodes. Members keep stable IDs and ranks, an admission step comes before any irreversible step, and each attempt has one outcome.admittedbarrier completes. Each member then records its own point of no return (Startedat capture,Restoringat restore), and that record decides what a failure does to the member.ready-for-snapshot,restore-complete), restart safety, restore binding, and the agent upgrade requirement.Tracking issue: #324
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