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USD pricing listed on Steam DB is actually $9.99 https://steamdb.info/app/3766810/ |
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It's 9.99 because it's not a bundle. I think the administrative work is not fully done yet. |
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Sorry, will supersede this when the bundling goes live on Steam with a new PR from my own branch that has a couple of other related site changes. (Also, the price was given by Atari, we can revise if necessary of course.) |
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It would be nice to explain why this happened... it's not normal that some corporation randomly steals open source game from open source devs as it's own and profits from it. Was there some e-mail sent from main in suits? Some DMCA? What happened? |
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Assume that what can be said in public is what's been said in this (well, #380) post. (also "steals open source game from open source devs as it's own and profits from it" is at best a massive exaggeration but largely just incorrect) |
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I do not think that is satisfactory answer. This is still public GPL-licensed project, so any claims Atari's corpse is making are of potential interest to contributors. Unless the agreement concerns only Steam/GOG distribution, but that seems unlikely as the content was the same as published elsewhere. Even in that case, the fact itself that you apparently considered these claims credible enough to enter into agreement with Atari is concerning to any distributors of OpenTTD and/or OpenGFX, so more details would be appreciated. |
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I can't speak for the other developers, but if you were to suggest to me that we should fight this, I would simply stop with OpenTTD altogether. Such proceedings will take all the fun out of the project for me. |
@LordAro this is very cryptic for an open source project which should be... well... open. Also to other open source developers and community, as we might be in similar situation some day. And yes, I do maintain other open source game that is more or less known. This sounds like big legal threat and overtake than friendly conversation.
Please explain, how "incorrect" is Big Corporation forcing people to buy their game in order to play totally separate game (and lieing that it's "a mod" just because it does the same) and not benefitting from OpenTTD players by that? :) Or you (as a OpenTTD devs team) get cut of their sales? If yes - then I'm officially saying "Sorry, I was incorrect". But again - no transparency on your side so I'm speculating based on your (non)information. The original game was abandonware for many, many years. And again - it's all very shady and cryptic... |
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no one is forcing anyone to buy anythign to access openttd, its still availible for free from the website, which was for a the longest time the only way to acquire openttd |
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@mmtunligit yes, we know. That wasn't the question. I always used my distro repos to install it anyway. But "no one is forcing anyone" is not answer to question "what's the explanation for this whole situation". |
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@morsik well I wasn't really addressing the first point at all. you asked how it was "incorrect" and I told you. As for the other bit, I'm not a core developer and was not privvy to any talks, but open source does not mean that there is no ownership structure. From my ery limited understanding of the legalities of these things, the dev team has some level of legal responsibility for the codebase, and when you start talking legal stuff, sometimes it has to be behind closed doors. An open forum for this would not have been particularly constructive. The goal is full transparency yes, but idealism does clash with reality sometimes. It may be hard for you to belive, but this outcome is on the much better end for this sort of thing, for the bad end, look at take2 and the GTA III ordeal. |
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@mmtunligit legal talks behind closed doors is something else than transparency. Of course there might be lawyers or whatever involved and they have to take things outside of open forum. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about simple transparency like: "we got this letter, we had this options, we choose that solution, thx all" - only this. My comment is not about having constructive or non-constructive open forum with open letters. It's about simple transparency why this weird change happened. And then end of story, everyone knows, no one needs to ask anymore :) |
Just to clarify, as I've seen this mentioned a few times: we do not make any money by being listed on Steam (either individually or as part of a bundle). Any income that we receive (which goes towards our server infrastructure) is purely from donations made on openttd.org. |
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