[glennneuber]

Wants review before merge. This PR adds the gfx1151 tools and results behind the #449 reply and fa5ad16, and fixes the guard allocator on HIP. CUDA was not measured again: the only code change is under #if defined(GGML_USE_HIP).

The change

This PR targets #448's branch. fa5ad16 already took the four corrections from the #449 reply. This PR adds the measurements that they rest on.

• Results are in docs/maxusai/tasks/mmq-successor-results/rocm-gfx1151/. Its README lists each finding with the file that shows it. The host profile is also there (ADR 0046).
• Tools are in docs/maxusai/tasks/:
  • mmq-variant-b11081.py and mmq-debug-alloc-b11081.cuh build each form of 903 on b11081, with the debug hooks. The script reads each form from git by SHA.
  • mmq-gfx1151-reach.cu runs the check's gfx1151 sweep through the real dispatch. mmq-extract-dispatch.sh cuts ggml_cuda_should_use_mmq() and the MMVQ limit from the source. The sweep also asks if a routing can realise each shape.
  • mmq-gfx1151-prod.cu checks production's MoE tensors under each form of 903.
  • mmq-route.cpp runs one MUL_MAT_ID with a routing chosen by hand. On RDNA3, only this produces the q2_K gap.
  • mmq-hip-vmm-probe.hip and mmq-hip-vmm-reuse.hip probe HIP VMM.
  • mmq-rocm-build.sh, mmq-rocm-cases.sh, mmq-rocm-route.sh and mmq-rocm-table.py build, run and render.
• mmq-debug-alloc.cuh: on HIP, mmq_dbg_free keeps the VMM reservation.
  • On gfx1151 with ROCm 7.2.1, a range that is freed and reserved again reads and writes the wrong memory. Copies and kernels disagree, and writes land in other allocations.
  • vmm-reuse.txt shows it. With free, wrong data starts at iteration 1, and the run ends in HSA_STATUS_ERROR_ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION in an unrelated kernel. With keep, 200 of 200 iterations are clean.
  • The fix leaks address space, not memory.

The measured effect

The fix matters only when one process makes more than one guarded MMQ call. Every run behind the #449 numbers makes one guarded allocation per buffer, so those numbers do not change.

Upstream's per-expert fallback makes several guarded calls. llama.cpp#29953 at 3070d927f, mmq-route q2_K 8 1 513 256 1024 0 uniform (8 dense MMQ calls in one process):

MMQ_DEBUG_ALLOC	runs	correct result (NMSE vs CPU 4.3e-5)
guard:src1, reservation freed (as at fa5ad16)	5	0: two NaN, NMSE 1.2e-1 and 1.2e-2, one died
guard:src1, this PR	5	5
exact:src1	3	3
off	3	3

With this header, the full upstream set on gfx1151 is clean: 78 case runs and 48 hand-routed runs, 0 aborts and 0 failures (head-cases.md, head-route.md).

How to verify on CUDA

Nothing changes on CUDA. The #else branch is the code that fa5ad16 has. To confirm, rerun ids16 from mmq-rules-gpu.sh with MMQ_DEBUG_ALLOC=guard:src1. It still aborts under ne12 and passes under s448p, as in matrix.md.

How to verify on gfx1151

hipcc --offload-arch=gfx1151 -O1 docs/maxusai/tasks/mmq-hip-vmm-reuse.hip -o mmq-hip-vmm-reuse
./mmq-hip-vmm-reuse 200 keep    # 0 and 0
./mmq-hip-vmm-reuse 200 free    # mismatches from iteration 1; run it with no other GPU process on the device

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[glennneuber]

Reviewed, and I'd merge it. Nothing outside docs/maxusai/, the only code change is eight lines behind #if defined(GGML_USE_HIP) in a debug-only header, and GitHub reports it mergeable and clean against 6fcc3182c. Thank you for the tools — mmq-route.cpp especially, since nothing in #448 can produce that gap.

You found a real bug in the harness, not a HIP quirk I can wave away. mmq_dbg_free freeing the VA range was mine, and NaN plus NMSE 1.2e-1 in an unrelated kernel is a serious failure mode for something whose whole job is to be trustworthy about memory.

The check you could not run: CUDA does not share it

Your fix is HIP-only, and every number behind it came from a process making one guarded allocation per buffer — which is also true of every run behind #448's numbers, so neither of us had tested the multi-call path on CUDA. I have now. The whole MUL_MAT_ID suite in one process, s448p, sm_120 (RTX PRO 6000, CUDA 12.8), with the freeing #else branch as it stands:

run	guarded MMQ calls in the process	result
MMQ_DEBUG_ALLOC=guard:src1	411	943/943 tests passed
MMQ_DEBUG_ALLOC=off (control)	0	943/943 tests passed

411 free-and-re-reserve cycles, identical to the control, with test-backend-ops' NMSE check against the CPU backend on every case — so a buffer handed back at the wrong address would have failed, not passed. CUDA does not have the fault, and your GGML_USE_HIP scoping is right; there is no reason to extend the keep-reservation behaviour to the CUDA branch.

The check you asked for also holds: ids16 under guard:src1 still aborts under ne12 and passes under s448p, exactly as in matrix.md.

A side benefit for #448: its guard results were single- or double-call, and are now backed by a 411-call run as well.

Two review notes, neither blocking

• The leaked address space is bounded in practice but worth a number. Each guarded allocation keeps msize of VA, so a suite run on the pattern above is on the order of 6 GiB of reservations for a 14 MiB src1 — nothing against a 48-bit space, and the physical pages still go back at cuMemUnmap. Your 78 case runs and 48 hand-routed runs came back clean, so this is a question rather than a doubt: did you see any VA pressure in the longer runs, or anything from the HSA side about reservation count?
• Two headers now. mmq-debug-alloc-b11081.cuh exists because b11081 predates the prec_src1 refactor. Keeping them separate is fine by me; converging them is only worth doing if the pin sits on b11081 for a while.

Something that extends your result, and a cheap ask

Since your reply I pointed the check at five more architectures (sm_70, sm_80, sm_90, CDNA3, RDNA4 — tasks/mmq-successor-results/check-rules-wide.txt, 9,431,816 ids-branch shapes). The widest-tile rule is short on three AMD architectures, not just gfx1151, and on none of the seven NVIDIA ones:

arch	shapes short, widest-tile rule	worst
CDNA3 (MI300)	576,000	7 blocks
gfx1151	25,256	5 blocks
RDNA4	25,256	5 blocks
sm_70/75/80/86/89/90/120	0	-

nthreads is 512 on CDNA rather than 256, so the padded tile is larger: J = 64 needs GGML_PAD(64*144, 2048) = 10,240 bytes, 71 blocks, against the widest tile's 64. The dense branch is short in 1,960 CDNA3 shapes. #29953's own worst case grows from 6 blocks to 12 for the same reason.

CDNA3 and RDNA4 are modelled, not measured — no such hardware here, and your gfx1151 result is the only reason I trust the modelling at all. The cheap ask, if you have the appetite: mmq-gfx1151-reach.cu is CPU-only, so pointing it at GGML_CUDA_CC_RDNA4 and GGML_CUDA_CC_CDNA3 would give the counted-vs-reachable split for those two without any hardware. That would tell us whether the 576,000 is a real exposure or mostly unreachable, the way 25,384 turned out to be 2,616 on your part. No hurry, and no objection from me if you would rather not model parts you cannot run.

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[glennneuber]

Thanks. Both questions are answered by measurement in 07b6272e7, and the multi-call result changes how the defect should be described.

Leaked address space: no pressure

multi-call.txt covers the MUL_MAT suite on 3070d927f. #448's hooks guard the dense branch, so it makes 175 guarded calls in one process:

header	runs	tests	VmPeak
keeps the reservation on HIP	3	1305/1305 each	8.6–9.4 GiB
frees it, as before the fix	3	1305/1305 each	8.5–8.9 GiB

The leak does not show above the suite's own buffers, and HIP reported nothing. Note the second row: without the fix, this suite passes too. So the defect needs more than repeated calls. It needs a range freed and reserved again inside one computation, with hipMalloc traffic between. The per-expert fallback has that (0 of 5 runs correct without the fix), and so does mmq-hip-vmm-reuse.hip; a suite of independent cases does not. Your 411-call CUDA run is consistent with this, and the HIP-only scoping stands.

CDNA3 and RDNA4: reachable, not just counted (modelled)

mmq-gfx1151-reach.cu --arch runs your sweep with each device's dispatch, cut from the source:

arch	widest-tile rule: counted	reach MMQ	realisable
gfx1151 (measured)	25,384	2,648	2,616
RDNA4	25,384	25,384	23,746
CDNA3	595,200	595,200	595,200
GCN (gfx906)	297,600	297,600	297,600

• CDNA3's exposure is real. It takes MMQ for every type and picks J from tokens, so every counted shape is reachable. 595,200 is your 576,000 multi-expert shapes plus 19,200 one-expert ones.
• RDNA4 has no hipBLAS escape hatch for q2_K, unlike gfx1151.
• GCN is affected too, though it isn't a fork target.

Two GPU-free checks that would catch a re-tightening

• mmq-padding-invariant.cu checks every config of all ten tables (2,597 configs, about 10 ms). It calls the table functions directly, so nvcc and hipcc evaluate it alike. It reproduces your per-shape verdicts table by table and adds GCN: the widest-tile rule is short in 28 configs there, by up to 7 blocks.
• mmq-padding-guard.cu is a compile-time prototype: one static_assert per (table, type), with the requirement written from the load loop. Re-tightening to J blocks fails the build in all ten tables. The widest-tile rule fails in cdna, gcn, rdna3_5 and rdna4.

A version for compat 903 is up as draft #451. It needs an nvcc build from you before it leaves draft.

Two headers

Agreed: converge them only if the pin stays on b11081.

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[glennneuber]

Correction to my last comment: I overclaimed, and your multi-call.txt is what shows it.

I wrote that "CUDA does not have the fault" on the strength of 411 guarded calls in one process coming back 943/943. Your second row makes that worthless as evidence: without the fix, the same suite pattern passes on HIP too. So my run exercised the pattern that is benign on both backends, not the one that breaks. The honest statement is narrower:

• Established: 411 guarded calls across independent cases are fine on CUDA.
• Not established: that CUDA survives the actual trigger -- a range freed and reserved again inside one computation, with hipMalloc/cudaMalloc traffic between, which is what the per-expert fallback does and what took 0 of 5 of your runs.

So "the HIP-only scoping stands" is still my view, but because the fix is harmless on CUDA and the defect is a ROCm one you measured -- not because I showed CUDA immune. I have not tested the narrow trigger here.

I can test it if it is worth anything to you: build 3070d927f for sm_120 with the #448 hooks and run a shape that takes the per-expert fallback, with the reservation freed, looking for wrong results rather than a fault. Say the word and I will; otherwise I will leave it, since the fix is already correct for the backend that needs it and this would only tell us whether to widen a comment.

Everything else in 07b6272e7 I accept as measured, and the CDNA3 reachability is worse than I had it: 595,200 counted and 595,200 realisable, against the 2,616 of 25,384 on your part. I had recorded the gfx1151 ratio as the general lesson; it is not one. GCN at 297,600 is new to me and now in the material too.

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